Unruoch II of Friuli Engeltrude de Paris Louis I The Pious Judith of Bavaria

Eberhard of Friuli Giséle of Cysoing

Judith von Sülichen

f a m i l i a
Hijes con:
Arnulf I of Bavaria

Hermanes:
Berengar I of the Romans

Hijes:
Arnulf II of Bavaria
Eberhard von Bayern
Judith von Sülichen
  • Nacimiento: Alrededor de 894, Lombardy, Italia
  • Casado/a ABT 910, ?, Alemania, con Arnulf I of Bavaria
  • Fallecido/a: 28 Jun 987, Kelheim, Lower Bavaria, Bavaria, Alemania
  • Ocupación: Grafin von Bavaria
  • Fuente: geni.com
  • https://www.geni.com/people/Judith-von-S%C3%BClichen-Grafin-von-Bavaria/6000000044493704355?through=6000000003827355031
    Judith of Sülichgau
    Madre de Eberhard, duke of Bavaria; Arnulf II, count palatine of Bavaria; Heinrich von Bayern, Duke; Judith von Sülichgau; Heinrich II Margrave of the Nordgau & Schweinfurt; and Duke of Upper Bavaria Palatine of Scheyern Arnulf

    Her ancestry is unknown. There are several theories about her ancestry:

    She was a daughter of Eberhard, Graf im Sülichen
    She was a daughter of Burkhard von Ratisbonne
    She was a daughter of Eberhard di Friuli [this is not likely due to a huge age gap]
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    Medieval historians Peter Stewart and Todd Farmerie weigh in:

    From: taf Subject: Re: Eberhard di Friuli vs Eberhard von Sulichgau Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <49a81d94-127c-406c-bdd2-79daca1cbd7d@s2g2000vby.googlegroups.com>

    On Sep 10, 10:37 am, Pam Wilson wrote:

    Another disambiguation--am trying to wade through a jumble of sources
    to determine if Eberhard Marchese di Friuli vs Eberhard graf von
    Sulichgau were indeed the same person or were different persons.
    Adding to the confusion are wives both named Gisela and daughters
    named Judith.

    Concomitantly is the question: are Judith di Friuli and Judith im
    Sülichgau the same? I have found many sources claiming them to be the
    same, though I have also found conflicting death dates. In a 4 Jul
    2001 post on this list ( http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2001-07/0994206392 ), Peter Stewart wrote:

    "The Judith who was a daughter of Margrave Eberhard of Friuli and
    Gisela of Francia was born ca 838 & died 863. She married in 852 as
    his first wife the East Frankish Count Heinrich, margrave in Frisia
    (born 830, killed in battle near Paris 20 August 886).

    The other Judith who in ca 910 married Arnulf der Böse, duke of
    Bavaria (born ca 885/90, died 14 July 937) was a daughter of Eberhard,
    count in the Sülichgau & Gisela, whose exact parentage is not
    established. Arnulf tried unsuccessfully to assert this Judith's
    rights to the Lombard throne."

    These are two completely different families, in completely different countries and living at different times. The names are just coincidence.

    Or born 900.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_of_S%C3%BClichgau
    Judith, Duchess of Bavaria, also Judith im Sülichgau and Judith von Friaul, from the Unrochinger ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrochinger ) family (born after 888) was a Duchess of Bavaria by marriage to Arnulf of Bavaria.

    She married Duke Arnulf in 910.[1][2] Historians believed she was the daughter of Eberhard of Friuli (d. 866). However, as the dates don't match up, it is now believed that the Unruoching Judith married by Arnulf was in fact the daughter of Count Eberhard of Sülichgau (d. after 889), Eberhard of Friuli's grandson.[2]

    Judith and Arnulf's eldest daughter, Judith, married Henry I, Duke of Bavaria, brother of Emperor Otto I, which decisively promoted the integration of Bavaria into the emerging Holy Roman Empire.

    As an Unruoching, Judith brought inheritance claims to the Longobard royal crown into the marriage,[3] which Duke Arnulf tried in vain to realize for his son Eberhard in a campaign in Italy in 934.

    References
    Prince Rupert Loewenstein (2014). A Prince Among Stones That Business with the Rolling Stones and Other Adventures. Bloomsbury Publishing Plc. p. 252. ISBN 9781408831342.
    Kruppa, Nathalie (2007). Adlige - Stifter - Mönche (zum Verhältnis zwischen Klöstern und mittelalterlichem Adel) (in German). Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht. p. 23. ISBN 9783525358863. https://books.google.com/books?id=fasCTXul-AYC
    Bayerische Akademie der Wissenschaften. Kommission für Bayerische Landesgeschichte, Gesellschaft für Fränkische Geschichte (1953). Zeitschrift für bayerische Landesgeschichte (Volume 17) (in German). Beck. p. 244.